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How Small, Intentional Actions Can Create Big Changes in our Lives with Cassie Drake

In this week’s heartfelt episode, I’m joined by business architect, and founder of MATRS, Cassie Drake. ✨ Our conversation delves into the courage it takes to be our most authentic version of ourselves, unraveling the layers of bravery, big and small.

Cassie reflects on her personal journey from crafting the “perfect” social media facade to fully embracing the vibrant authenticity that makes her, her! She also guides us through the often-overlooked reality of comparison, shining a light on how our brains can undergo a powerful rewiring, steering us away from the exhausting default setting of the comparison game..

LAUREN and cassie ALSO discuss...

  1. The importance of recognizing patterns and behaviors that either constrain or expand oneself

  2. Embracing small acts of bravery and growth

  3. Cassie’s reflection on curating a “perfect image” on social media and learning that wasn’t really who she was

ABOUT cassie

Cassie Drake is an architect turned designer of her own dream life, on a mission to empower other women to do the same. But it wasn’t always that way. After feeling unfulfilled for years and struggling with both her physical and mental health, she left her admirable career in architecture to live life on her own terms. Cassie is the founder of the Influentielle Mastermind program, coaching women-led businesses in a collective support group, to grow together and lead the fulfilling life they’ve always dreamed off. She believes every single person has a gift no one else does, and has helped countless humans realize their potential, and manifest it into reality to share with the rest of the world.

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Episode hightlights

(00:01:18) Lauren introduces her special guest, Cassie Drake, an architect turned designer, and they discuss their shared experiences of designing their own lives and empowering others to do the same.

(00:05:17) Lauren reflects on the tendency to compare oneself to others and shares a personal experience of comparing her appearance to Cassie’s. They discuss the importance of embracing self-expression and being confident in one’s unique qualities.

(00:09:01) Lauren acknowledges Cassie’s intentional and authentic approach to sharing wisdom and experiences. They discuss the power of showing up with clarity and delivering value to inspire and connect with others.

(00:10:49) The Pressure of Curated Social Media Presence Discussion about the pressure to have a curated social media presence and how it can lead to unhappiness.

(00:11:51) Being Authentic and Standing Out Talks about the importance of being authentic and not comparing oneself to others, using an example of standing out at a pool party.

(00:18:08) Overcoming Shyness and Building Confidence Shares a personal journey of overcoming shyness and building confidence, including a childhood experience of having to ask for ketchup at a fast-food restaurant.

(00:21:13) Speaker 2 discusses the process of deep healing and the different modalities she explored to shift her mindset and overcome victimhood.

(00:22:24) Cassie Drake talks about the importance of recognizing patterns and behaviors that either constrain or expand oneself, and the difference between actions that make her shrink or make her expand.

(00:27:22) Cassie and Lauren discuss the individual experience of bravery and the ability to acknowledge opportunities for personal expansion, emphasizing that only the individual knows what is brave for them.

(00:31:37) Finding Cassie Drake and her work Lauren asks Cassie how people can find her and follow her work, both in her business and personal life.

(00:32:05) Cassie’s online presence Cassie talks about how she shows up online, specifically on Instagram, and shares her Instagram handle.

(00:32:31) Matters Co and its programs Cassie introduces her company, Matters Co, and talks about the different programs they offer, such as the Bad Girls Club and the influential mastermind program. She also mentions their website and Instagram handle.

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Lauren Best (00:00:08) – Welcome to Provoking Possibilities, where we reflect on pivotal life moments, ask dot provoking questions and dream up new possibilities for living a life you love that may be a little out of your current reality. I’m Lauren Best, a certified hypnotherapist and provoker of possibility, and I’ve created this podcast for people who are curious about exploring new ways of living, who are looking to connect deeper with their bodies, their intuition, their hearts, and then known and who are really ready to just embrace their most authentic selves, to move into flow and into alignment. There is just so much that is possible for us when we open ourselves up to exploring new possibilities beyond our wildest imagination. So if you’re ready and curious to begin exploring new possibilities, join me every week for a new episode of Provoking Possibilities on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let’s dive in. Hi everyone! I’m so excited to be back! I have a very special guest every week I say this that I have a special guest, but they’re all so special.

Lauren Best (00:01:18) – And today I have Cassie Drake, who is an architect turned designer in her of her own dream life. And it was really interesting when we first met, because it was really cool to just hear how much we had in common, in terms of traveling the world and moving from the space of design into business, and just being on this mission to really design our own lives and also empower other people and other women to do the same, which is exactly what she’s doing. And for her as well as me. It’s like crazy. I feel like there’s a lot of synchronicities when you come into this space of wanting to, you know, design your own business and design your own life. And with that often comes many years of either feeling lost or unfulfilled. And for her also really struggling with, you know, both physical and mental health. And it was with that she really decided to leave that career in architecture to live life on her own terms. And Cassie is the founder of the influential mastermind program, as well as matters, which is how we met.

Lauren Best (00:02:22) – And so that was a really cool connection that we were able to make. And she’s coaching women led businesses in a collective support group to not only grow together and lead fulfilling lives that they’ve always dreamed of, but she’s also, you know, just allowing people to come into this space where they can, like, fully be themselves and think, that’s such a beautiful part of getting to show up in these different ways and designing our lives in a way that is filled with play and fun and intention, and she just really believes every single person has a gift no one else does, and is unique to them, and has helped countless humans realize their potential and manifest into reality to share with the rest of the world, and is a world traveler herself as well. That’s another thing that is so fun to see her just traveling the world and sharing those stories of not only having that travel life, but also really having some beautiful roots that I’ve seen online, you know, in Toronto and also in Florida as well.

Lauren Best (00:03:22) – So I’m so happy to have you. Cassie, thank you so much for joining me. Thank you for having me on, Lauren.

Cassie Drake (00:03:28) – Always a pleasure.

Lauren Best (00:03:29) – It’s going to be so fun too, because I think, like, what was it a week or a few weeks ago? It’ll be a few weeks before this episode airs, but just a few weeks ago, before recording this, you jumped on the Instagram Live with me. And it was really fun because not only for me, it was like this space where I could invite amazing women and amazing people to join me to talk about disrupting perfectionism. And I think through that experience and talking to you, I really it really sat with me what we talked about, and I know we’ll get into that a little bit today. But this, you know, reality of comparison, comparison and how we, you know, like as we grow up and as we move through life, there can be almost this, like default that we switch into where we’re constantly comparing ourselves to other people, what they have, what they look like, all these things.

Lauren Best (00:04:23) – And I know you really touched on that as, you know, a thing that was a process for you to let go and really, like, own who you are and be confident in who you are and your beautiful curly hair, which every time I see I’m like, oh my gosh, stunning. But it’s with those things that, you know that we can really. When we allow ourselves that space to really, like, even acknowledge how we’re compressing. Because I remember leaving that call and at the at the very end of the call didn’t tell you this. So this is why I’m kind of starting with this because, remember. Yeah, I remember seeing, like, you just I made a comment to you saying, oh my gosh, you look like you’re going to a wedding today. You look so beautiful. And we were just talking about like, comparing looks. And I was sitting there, I felt great about myself. And I’m like, oh, my hair is still wet. You know, I rolled out of the shower like, that’s how I was going to show up that day.

Lauren Best (00:05:17) – And then I remember leaving that call and being like, oh my gosh, I unconsciously like, even though I didn’t directly compare myself to you, I like did in a way. So that was like a reflection that I made. And I was like, whoa, this is really, you know, important that I think that happened because it shows just how easily we can do that. So I want to share that with you because I was like, wow, it’s something that we really. Like get to train our brains to not do that. But it’s something that perhaps is just so embedded, so don’t know, just a reflection to you.

Cassie Drake (00:05:52) – I don’t know if.

Lauren Best (00:05:55) – You picked up on it.

Cassie Drake (00:05:57) – Mean I have a think a decent sense on on energy. And one thing I definitely used to do is. Mirror, whatever else was coming up in front of me. And I’ll still do that to a certain extent, especially with clients. Make sure they’re the most comfortable. But that was almost part of the like comparison in a different way that should I not show up a certain way that I feel most comfortable in, in order not to make someone else uncomfortable? You know, it’s almost like the opposite of comparison, if that makes sense, you know, and not that I felt that in our session.

Cassie Drake (00:06:32) – But it’s interesting when there’s a visual component, especially with women. I feel like, um, that is just an innate, innate within our culture. You know, I really feel you talked about how in our lives that in design school there’s like this competitiveness to it, right? Which I definitely felt. But I think even beyond that, for someone who hasn’t been in any like, design or architecture school would have been bred that way. It’s just like we compare grades growing up. Then if we’re in sports, it’s there’s always a sense of one upping someone else. So it’s, I think, so ingrained within us. So I don’t think it’s necessarily like any one’s, you know, issue really. Right. So for you to feel that way and for your ability to catch yourself in that moment is already the most powerful way to start to change, you know, or just have an awareness with that process. Yeah.

Lauren Best (00:07:28) – It’s so interesting. Like, I totally I was going to send you a voicemail after and I was like, oh, it doesn’t, it doesn’t matter anyways.

Lauren Best (00:07:34) – But I was like, that’s so funny how that happened. And I know, you know, you and I were talking a little bit after that of like what we could explore today together and just, you know what? I know, like something that I noticed that I really admire about you is how intentional you are and how much you know, your words that you share and what you put out there is like, done with a lot of intention in this space of wanting to bring value to other people’s lives. And I know, um, you know, when it comes to like for people showing up and even starting to put themselves out there, or the women who are in your mastermind, who are in this creative process of not only like ideating on different ideas or getting comfortable with brainstorming or having this curiosity to, you know, what are my superpowers and how can I show up to share them with the world? You know, there there is this messy place that happens in the beginning, and then it’s like you get to be more intentional in certain moments and in certain spaces and in certain contexts.

Lauren Best (00:08:40) – So what does that been like for you to really, you know, whether it’s like throughout your whole journey of like getting to this place where you show up with so much intention, was that something that you like learned in design school or something that you, you know, always was a really great superpower of yours? Or what is that like in your life before?

Cassie Drake (00:09:01) – And so I’m curious what you what you mean by intention, like what you observe as, as intentional.

Lauren Best (00:09:07) – I think it’s, you know, just this like clarity that I’ve seen you have in terms of, of just like being able to speak with this intention of like having delivering clarity so that people can understand not only like the value that they can extract from it, but really being intentional of like, I’m showing up and this is just my perception, right, of like, I’m showing up and I’m going to like deliver the best wisdom or like something that’s like from my heart, not just like for the sake of it, but for really inspiring people and really being able to say, you know, this is who I am and these are my experiences.

Lauren Best (00:09:47) – It really like feels like I can feel that intention, like from your heart really strongly. I don’t know if anyone’s ever told you that, but appreciate.

Cassie Drake (00:09:57) – So.

Lauren Best (00:09:57) – So much.

Cassie Drake (00:09:59) – Appreciate that so much. Think. Yeah. I’m so glad. Asked for you to elaborate on intention, because I think what you’re speaking on is a truth or like an authenticity. That’s expressed with anything I share, especially online. It’s it’s very much of the heart for the time being. And I’ve done the content categories and I help others do that. I’ve helped so many other brands do that. And it works to to certain extent. Right. But for me, the I guess the intention is just what’s true to that time frame really in that reality. So maybe it lands in that way, which I’m really happy to hear in terms of how much that has shifted, because my online experience, there was a portion like a few years where I was a full time travel content creator, and it was always, I guess the intention was always behind.

Cassie Drake (00:10:49) – It was to win that popularity contest, right? To have photos that are very shiny of the best. Beautiful place to visit with an outfit that matches and all of that. And it was so curated and. Drain me so much and was correlated to the most unhappiest times, one of the most unhappiest times in my life. But I remember people also saying to me at the time, you’re living my dream life. And this was years ago, you know, and through a whole process of. Like the dark night of the soul. Like everything. You know that that we kind of go through when we reach that proverbial rock bottom. And so now I just I don’t have any of that don’t know patience within myself to present that way. That’s not that. I think that’s why I speak on things when I’m feeling then when I’m feeling them positive and negative and don’t share all the negative things, of course, but you’re probably seeing a reflection of that. And that definitely was a process to come to terms with.

Cassie Drake (00:11:51) – I think it also coincides with. That comparison we were talking about because the the more okay with myself I became just as a human being, not even with what I was doing, just like, you know, just in general. The less comparison there was and the more I showed up as is, even when it may not be. What everyone around me showing up as and like. I’ll give you an example that I laugh at sometimes. Remember I pulled up to this? Like party wants this pool party, essentially. And it was this, this well-known producer and I pull up on my motorcycle head to toe leather, and a girl who pulls out of her car in, you know, pool gear. That’s me. Oh, are you a goth? That’s so cool. And was like, I was like, I just thought that was so funny, you know? And I was like, yeah, guess I do really stand out in this way. And that can be a perception. So just find that’s like a funny example of how those things can happen.

Cassie Drake (00:12:53) – Like perception is, is really everything. But yeah, I’m not sure if I answered your question directly, but I think the intentionality I also like have a deep awareness of. I have a deep awareness, you know, and that has pros and cons to it, you know, like it was very detrimental for me growing up. But on this, on this adult side of that awareness is I’m aware of how I say things to others. And I’ve been working with a social media strategist, and she was suggesting that I show all these things about like how I got from like, look at me before and then look at me after. And that didn’t feel like I could say that because, yes, I can show you this before and after, but at the same time, it then becomes very much like a look at me, look at me. And. Right, just because I’ve done something, I don’t believe everyone can do that because we all come from different experiences. I have so much like privilege that I have been able to leverage, you know, so I.

Cassie Drake (00:13:58) – I have that awareness of how what? Put out there lands with others. And I hope that because I’ve been there, I’ve been on the other side of seeing someone do that and feeling less than because of it. And I still will get that way sometimes. Right. But that type of content is, is made for us to feel that way without even the person, the creator, knowing fully of the potential repercussions of that. And it could be like a long term, it could be like an instant inspiration. But then we fall back to, oh, wait, I’m so far away from that, or that hasn’t been my journey and we feel less then. So I would hope it would fall more on the inspiration. It won’t always be the case based on how someone else is perceiving it in the journey, but I have that level of awareness with what I put out there that I hope lands on a more inspiring end of the spectrum, as opposed to detrimental, if that makes sense. And I think.

Lauren Best (00:14:49) – That’s really important thing to note is like you have like this self awareness, how it’s something that has been a struggle for you, but also like the super power for you and like there is so much duality in life. And I think this is one of those things where like we can lean into different spaces using the same sort of like skill essentially. But I think what you are doing and what I, I know for myself, like I always when I’m checking in with myself, it’s like what’s going to feel authentic. And even when you’re questioning like for those people who are like seeing all these things on social media and are thinking, oh, this, you know, person who is in this space and this type of business, they’re showing up this way. Do I have to show up this way in order to, like, achieve this dream life that I see them having? And it’s like it all comes back to authenticity, right? If you’re going to show up in these different ways that aren’t authentic to you, it doesn’t matter if you’ve copied and paste what someone else is doing.

Lauren Best (00:15:50) – Of course, it’s going to be way different because you’re you and they’re them. But it really like and I think that can be a really hard piece for a lot of like aspiring entrepreneurs. When you’re in this space of figuring out not only who you are, because I feel like the first I don’t know about you, but so many people I talk to or work with or even in my own journey, you know, obviously it’s all looked different, but it can be like this first year of business can feel like eight, ten years of therapy, like you’re going possibly through these different, you know, phases of learning who you are and learning what you like and don’t like, what feels good, what feels authentic. And, you know, not only that professional growth, but that personal growth and having those moments to really like, stop and check in and think, okay, like, do I think I should be doing this because I see this person doing it or like what actually feels authentic to me? Am I thinking I need to do this because there’s this fear that if I don’t show up in this way or I don’t have this type of offer, or do these, you know, comparison videos on Instagram, then you know, the right people won’t find me and it’s just not true.

Lauren Best (00:17:03) – And, you know, that’s something that I don’t think I got super caught up in. But I would notice those moments where I was like, whoa, like, wait a minute. And, you know, finding that that awareness to really ground back into what feels good is like the ultimate thing that we can train ourselves to do and really allow ourselves to see what’s possible for us. And I know that’s something that you have really like, worked through, and I’m sure continuously work through is like this ability to switch our minds from that comparison or to that envy or that space to like, really allow us to see what is possible for us and uniquely to us and really connect back to who we are. What has that process been like for you in terms of allowing yourself to make that switch and or like little things that you do to just ground yourself into that?

Cassie Drake (00:18:08) – That has been a lifelong process, I will say. And we talked about, you know, journeys when I was rewatching her live. I use the word journey a lot, so maybe I’ll switch from that and just say like author life path.

Cassie Drake (00:18:21) – Yeah, a little bit. But. Yeah. As someone as a as a from where I was as a child, which was deeply competitive, so hyper aware I was paralyzed with a lot of things. I was so shy I wouldn’t speak, like, publicly at all, like not even to order food. I couldn’t, like, articulate anything. Um, when my parents had friends over as a child, I would want to, like, contribute to the conversation, but it would take me like sometimes an hour or two hours to work up the courage to say something, and then would blurted out, and by that point, they would be so far away from that topic that they’d be like, what are you talking about? And that would just further make me retreat in my shell. So I’m just paying the picture of like where I started from, okay. Which I don’t know if you could get more extreme than that. And I think it took. Yeah, it was a long journey. But one thing that I say oftentimes to people is something that my mom helped me do as a child, and we call it go ask for your ketchup.

Cassie Drake (00:19:22) – And I still use this metaphor to this day, but this was my reality as a kid. My mom would purposely withhold, like as we go to the fast food restaurant and order like fries or something. She’d purposely withhold the condiments so that when we go sit down, I have to go up and ask for my ketchup. Wow. And yeah, so sometimes I would try to, like, pay my sister, like, you know, a dime to to go do that because she was younger than me, but so, so happy to speak on my behalf. And I was very happy to have her do that too. But my mom be like, no, go ask for your ketchup. So I’d go up shaking like shaking sometimes, and maybe it was a little harsh. I’m not saying this is necessarily the way, but I would have to go do that. And it was this muscle that I’d have to exercise so that now fast forward, you know, a few decades later, that if I am coming up to a place where I feel.

Cassie Drake (00:20:12) – Scared. I don’t know how else to say scared. You know, when I first started my content creation journey were just like online journey. There was a lot of events that I could attend, but for me to walk into those rooms was frightening to me because it meant I would have to speak out loud to people, you know, when I’m going alone. Like all these things, things that I have zero qualms about now, but at the time was just like go astray. Ketchup, glassware, ketchup, glassware, ketchup. And I just fall into that. So I think using a like a symbol of sorts is helpful for those. For me personally, it was I need to get out of this shell, right, and step into something that was deeply fearful for me, which allowed me to explore other things that that would not even like bat an eye at these days. Right? But it’s because it was the muscle of my mind that I exercise, just like we go to that gym, that proverbial gym, to that repetition till it got stronger, till got stronger, till it got stronger, till it’s just there.

Cassie Drake (00:21:13) – And the maintenance of that is so easy and almost effortless. So that’s been that process. And then I think simultaneously just like deep healing modalities which like spans a spectrum of, of different tools, I guess I got really into mindset because I was definitely the glass half empty type of individual. Actually went back at some of my Facebook memories. You know, I used to be able to post statuses of like, oh my.

Lauren Best (00:21:48) – Gosh, I always had like the most cringe like song lyrics of like, don’t even.

Cassie Drake (00:21:54) – Say mind words that kind of dark like me 11 years ago was like like it would be like your name, right? And then it would be like a verb. So I said, this is going to be a little dark. I said, hates life as much as life hates me. Like that’s where I was. That was my mentality with a lot of things, like everything was happening to me. And so in my victimhood with with everything, the process of reversing that and realizing everything is happening for me, if I am a victim of something, that I continuously am the victim of that and I’ll perpetuate that pattern.

Cassie Drake (00:22:24) – Like that took a lot of work, a lot of work which led me down that mindset path, which led me down to a more spiritual path which led me to just my my truth, I would say, and practices that I maybe someone is not on that extreme end of the spectrum that I painted the picture of earlier, but maybe there’s like somewhere along the lines of that path. Things I do now is, is just similar to how you caught yourself in a certain thing is just like catching myself in certain actions, patterns, whatever it may be, and and truly asking myself one of two things is this something that if I continue to do, constrains me, like am I? Am I shrinking within this action? Is that the energy that I’m matching, or am I? Is this expansive? And that’s the difference. When I see something that I compare myself to that makes me shrink versus compare myself to that makes me expand and excited to try something else. Because there is that possibility too, right? If if it can be on the more inspiring end of things.

Cassie Drake (00:23:29) – So that is. Something. I’ll just practice. And then, to be honest, I think I just spent a lot of time with myself. And so just that comfort helps because now it doesn’t matter where you put me, I can be somewhere and I’m more comfortable, you know?

Lauren Best (00:23:45) – Yeah, I love it. And just hearing that, that metaphor that you’ve taken away from your childhood of that go ask for the ketchup is like, you know, obviously when you were a little kid sounded like this or was this huge thing and, like, just so uncomfortable. And now you get to, like, reclaim it almost of like, just do it like it’s going to it might feel uncomfortable, but it’s going to like, eventually feel really good. And it’s something that popped into my mind was I remember when I first moved to Singapore and I was going to like so many of these panel events and design events and like, there would be, you know, a lot of local people, but also a lot of expats who are also there, like within the design world and didn’t have any friends and were just like me.

Lauren Best (00:24:32) – And I remember feeling so nervous, but I knew, like, these are the places that I want to show up. This is where I want to learn. This is where I know I’m going to expand more and more. And I remember the first few events going, just like going to the bathroom and thinking like, oh my gosh, I just need a moment to reset. And like, I met amazing people just in the bathroom who I became friends. So now, like sometimes, like when I get to an event, that’s where I’ll go first and I’ll just like kind of hype myself up and I’ll be like, if someone’s in there, just like start talking to them and you never know when and where, because those events can be like, you know, places where we go to learn. It can be places where, you know, some people, their focus might be to network or to meet people. And I’m like, you know, I’ll gauge my energy and how I’m feeling each day.

Lauren Best (00:25:20) – But it was like this comfort thing to me where I was like, okay, I can like, find one other, maybe awkward person who’s, you know, going to just take some time from themselves or hanging out here and trying to get away from like the big sea of, like, chatter and all of that. So it just brought me back to that and how that was something that I did to and will probably still do. I haven’t really been to an in-person networking event in so long, but but it’s like we can allow ourselves the space to, like, do these little things or say these little things that will or can bring comfort to us for a moment. And I think with the things that you’ve been through and the little reminders that you’ve given yourself along the way, and even for myself, like there is a lot of bravery in that. And just getting to say, okay, why don’t I show up differently? And. Even if it’s a little baby step or just reminding myself of this mantra.

Lauren Best (00:26:16) – Like it? It can be. Or it is a very brave thing. No matter how you compare bravery to look like like even these little things we can acknowledge as bravery. And I know that’s something that you really advocate. Yeah.

Cassie Drake (00:26:30) – Every so relative. And I want to like expand on that a little bit because sometimes people I think may look at maybe what I do or maybe look at what you do and think that’s so brave. And it may be for them as, as, as a way to expand into and my route to bravery is completely unique to me. Like bravery is like an act of courage, right? But that act of courage would be an opportunity to expand into something that is maybe uncomfortable or unexplored. And that is such an individual experience. You know, like, I can’t tell any person what is brave for them to do mean I end up doing this through coaching. But because I get to know someone and I know what are the opportunities for expansion. So I just want to point that out is like, I think bravery is our ability to acknowledge, yeah, opportunities for expansion within ourselves.

Cassie Drake (00:27:22) – And only we truly know what that is. We know what we are. Defaults are, and we know where there are places where we feel like we could try something on for size, like a characteristic or a trait or an experience and activity, whatever it may be. And bravery is the act of of pursuing that. Right. Um, or we can remain how we are. And that is also a that’s also the choice and that’s fine. Yeah.

Lauren Best (00:27:50) – Yeah. It’s so true. And thank you for pointing that out as well as like I love what you said about recognizing that. Yeah. Only we as individuals can know what bravery looks like or feels like for us. Because for everyone, like trying different things on for size, they will feel different. Like whether it is something that feels really small might not be very small to someone else, right. So I think even taking moments to celebrate these, these small or large or medium, whatever acts of bravery I think can be really important. And that was something really important for me.

Lauren Best (00:28:27) – I think on my journey to put myself out there. It’s so easy. Now that you’ve said journey, it’s like so easy to throw that word out there. I’m like hyper aware now, but it really like can be, you know, these little things. I was actually going I was doing like a big clean of my space over the weekend and found all these little crumpled pieces of paper that I had in 2022 written down a bunch of things that I wanted to celebrate, like super small. Other ones felt really big to me. And so I went through them and I, like, crumpled them all and stacked them up, read them all, stacked them in a separate box so I can fill it back up again. This like beautiful vessel that I put them in, but it was really cool to see some of the things that now maybe wouldn’t feel so big to me, but at the time was like huge, like huge, huge things. And it’s cool to reflect on them and say, actually, this isn’t something that is like my like, it’s not small to me now either, even though in the scheme of things, it might, it might feel like it like I get to look back and re acknowledge that these small meaning big things like are super meaningful.

Lauren Best (00:29:37) – And yeah, it’s fun when you get to do that, I think and just take that reflection.

Cassie Drake (00:29:42) – That scale of. Courage that I’ll call it in terms of when we try something on for size or have a desire to. That’s not our typical, you know, it can feel like a ten in terms of like scale of courage. And then we might do it once and even after one time it might be like, oh, that’s not for us. And I oftentimes encourage people to try more than once, because sometimes we give ourselves like the permission to not try after the first time because it didn’t work out the first time, like, oh, put myself out there in that way. I spoke to that person. They said, no, like I tried it. I was brave, that’s it. Where as I feel like doing it, it depends on the situation, of course, but multiple iterations is what is truly courageous, that you are facing the rejection you’re facing the failure, facing the result that you did not want to have, and saying, no, I’m going to dust myself off and do it again.

Cassie Drake (00:30:35) – Like the amount of times I’ve had to do that is what I truly think is is the brave part of it. Right? And then and then to your point, it starts to become smaller in its scale of courage. You know what starts as a ten and then maybe do it ten times, then becomes eight and then becomes a five, and then I’ll be becomes what it is like. Like we’ll use the metaphor of, of motorcycle riding because we share that. And we’ve spoken on that. Like the first time I tried to ride a motorcycle, I was petrified and really, really hurt myself. Like I still have a big scar from it. So be getting back on that bike or like proverbial horse, you know, get back on the horse and doing that multiple times. Whereas now for me, I’m probably more comfortable riding than I am. Like, I don’t even know. I want to say walking like like it’s like to me and I and only that I feel one of my most confident self when I’m riding, because it is something that I have done so many miles on, you know, so it can become that too.

Cassie Drake (00:31:35) – For people that are just trying something on for the first time.

Lauren Best (00:31:37) – Yeah, yeah. Not to say you need to jump on a motorcycle, but it is very fun, right? Oh, I love it. Well, thank you so much Cassie. I like just noticed the time. Time flies when you’re you’re getting deep and having fun. So how can people find you and, you know, follow what you’re up to, not only in your business and where you go to plant different seeds and show up with your own brave self. How can they find you?

Cassie Drake (00:32:05) – How you said plant different seeds? Because I wrote down the other day, not every seed you plant will grow, and I think that’s also a good reminder is what we talk about mean really only show up one place online, kind of in real time, and that’s on Instagram. I’m Cass Drake. Cass Drake spelled like how my mom would refer to it as the rapper. Yeah.

Lauren Best (00:32:25) – I love it.

Cassie Drake (00:32:27) – And then my company is called Matters Matters.

Cassie Drake (00:32:31) – It’s the root word for the word mother and the matrix, which means like the womb and where something is incubated and born. And on Instagram that’s matters co and so is the website matters Co. So under that we have all the different programs. We run like we have the Bad Girls Club which stands for brave ambitious, Dreamers and doers. We have our influential mastermind program if anyone is interested in starting or growing their business. So that’s really all we are in a nutshell.

Lauren Best (00:33:00) – Love it. Thank you so much! I’ll have all the links below as well, but thank you so much for showing up with me. It means the world to me and I can’t wait to hear what everyone you know gets from this conversation. So I hope you guys reach out to both of us on Instagram and share your favorite bits of the conversation. Thank you so much Cassie.

Cassie Drake (00:33:19) – Have a good rest of the day. Bye bye.

Lauren Best (00:33:24) – Because you’ve been listening to the show, I want to leave you with a Little treat, which is one of my favorite hypnosis audios that will help you let go of the noise and worry from your everyday life by bringing you to a place where you can connect with your subconscious mind and imagine and dream about your life.

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